Richard Luthmann and I were back talking about trade, Jeffrey Epstein, and Richard’s possible arrest (more on that in a separate post), in the current events segment.
We updated on What the Hales starting twenty-nine minutes.
We discussed the recent interview we did with Idaho Republican State Senator Tammy Nichols fifty-seven minutes in.
Then, approximately 1:14:00, we welcomed Jackie Sample and Roy Johnson to the broadcast. I have interviewed Jackie several times.
Her still husband Dr. Madison Sample moved millions from joint accounts into his own accounts.
DuPage County Judge James Orel allowed Dr. Sample to do it by ignoring Jackie, when she filed motions for status quo and other avenues to recover some of the money which is hers.
As a result, though she lives in a multi-million home, she struggles with health, the bills, and can’t afford a lawyer. She has largely represented herself in the divorce.
Until now, we hadn’t discussed how Judge Orel pressed to have her put into guardianship when Jackie was absent during a hearing.
Judge Orel did not follow through on his threat, however, this scare led Jackie to meet Roy Johnson.
Johnson’s brother, Ray Johnson, was put into guardianship by Judge Orel, and as Roy explained, he did it in a perfunctory hearing without Ray being there.
“Judge Orel simply disregarded the law, did not even give notice, which is required by law, fifteen prior (to a hearing),” Roy explained, “He actually worked off of false evidence for several items, but the basic thing is that he was in ex-parte conversations with Mr. McQuade {who represented the DuPage County Public Guardian}.”
As Roy explained, his brother never received notice of the hearing, did not attend the hearing, and as such, Orel put him into guardianship based on a one-sided presentation.
This is common around the country as the hearing below from Missouri demonstrates.
“Nothing was done according to the law,” Roy added.
From there, vultures began to raid the property which Roy owned with his brother. This was done with Judge Orel’s help, according to a complaint filed by Roy.
Roy said in May 2025 he was involuntarily committed for three days, only to be released after a real estate agent and lawyer said he needed to sign documents to finish a real estate transaction.
Their shared experience brought Jackie and Roy to federal court earlier this month. This was a hearing presided over by Judge Andrea Wood, an Obama appointee.
Both Jackie and Roy said that Judge Wood talked down to them and gave them little time to make their case.
Jackie said that although the other side accepted service, Judge Wood said that she would accept motions to dismiss based on improper service.
Substantively, the four of us had a disagreement on the merits of the hearing.
Roy was there as an intervenor. He wanted to intervene because both Jackie and his brother faced guardianship from Judge Orel.
Richard said this was probably not enough to intervene and felt that Judge Wood made the correct ruling.
He suggested that Roy file his own lawsuit and ask for them to be joined.
Jackie was there as part of her lawsuit against several DuPage County judges.
Judge Wood has not yet ruled to dismiss the lawsuit, however, Richard and I felt she would, while Jackie argued that judges violated her constitutional rights. After the broadcast, she emailed several cases which back her claim.
Judicial immunity is nearly impenetrable thanks to one of the worst opinions in US Supreme Court history- Stump V Sparkman.
In that case, Judge Harold Stump issued an order for a seventeen-year-old to be sterilized from his chambers, without taking testimony or holding a hearing.
Despite that, the US Supreme Court granted Judge Stump immunity from civil lawsuit.
Judges are immune from any lawsuit as long as it is based on a judicial act and they had jurisdiction.
One notorious exception involved West Virginia judge Louise Golston who conducted a hearing in a litigant’s front yard. Since she had no jurisdiction in a front yard, she lost her immunity.
{Check out my interview with Connie Reguli for more discussion on Stump V Sparkman}
Rich said that something beyond a judicial act would be necessary to withstand a motion to dismiss.
When Kent Girard similarly sued judges, he alleged they took bribes.
Though Judge Orel and others routinely showed bias, violated Jackie’s rights, and probably violated federal laws like the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), I believe the Stump V Sparkman precedent is so strong that the case will be dismissed.
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